In 'A sensorimotor account of vision and visual consciousness', O’Regan and Noe (O&N) consider an argument from dreaming in
opposition to a sensorimotor account of consciousness. According to O&N
the dreaming argument says that the nature of dreaming suggests that it pulls
on mental representations of the outside world; these images we see in our
dreams are like ‘pictures in our heads’ and therefore must be brain-based representations
of the outside world. They counter this by saying that just because it seems
that we’re seeing an internal picture, this does not mean that the brain
actually contains these pictures, and further argue that the fact that are
dreams are so disorganized is due to the lack of external stimulus to ‘hold an
experienced world steady’. They suppose the ‘pictures in the head’ idea may be
an ill-founded phenomenological claim.
But in my own experience dreams do not occur to me as
‘pictures in the head’. Is this really how
everyday people experience their dreams and imagining? I wonder if O’Regan and
Noe are the ones making ill-founded phenomenological claims. In the same
article, Revonsuo replies to O&N’s commentary on dreaming by saying it
seems the brain might be perfectly capable of producing the feeling of
“being-in-the-world” in dreams, as opposed to pictures. People have very rich
experiences in dreams in which they are a subject engaging in a world.
This idea reminds me of Damasio’s “as-if loops”. Damasio
thinks that for the most part, embodied feeling is integral to emotion. Yet he
suggests that sometimes the brain can bypass the body by creating an “as if”
loop; an event in the brain that produces a phenomenological experience of
emotion as if feelings were occurring
without anything extraordinary happening somatically. Could it be the similar for
dreaming? In a dream we can experience ourselves as a subject as if we were in the world. Revonsuo seems to think this is so, and if it is the case, it might be troublesome for the case O&N try to build in
their paper. [Damasio also uses as-if loops to suggest why people with locked-in syndrome report experiencing emotion. Locked-in syndrome perhaps poses even bigger problems for O&N's account. For discussion see this paper.]
Kale, I like the points you raised and agree that perhaps O&N were too narrow in their counterexamples (it's like they think pictorial theorists are taking over the world). I recently came across this text. It's rather outdated (pre-O&N!), but I think it gives a clear account of the debate and some relevant perspectives. At the end there is a section on imagination in which they touch on 'seeing as'. Be warned, it gets a little fluffy at the end, but you know I'm a fan of such poetic discourse.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S036402139900004X#
Hi Kale,
ReplyDeleteThe link below is to a podcast by Evan Thompson I found really interesting, I think you'll like it. Enjoy
http://brainsciencepodcast.com/bsp/2015/bsp-115